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Quote bostonkiter Replybullet Topic: RAMPAGE 2 9.5M REVIEW
    Posted: November 17 2006 at 1:39pm
First a little background on the rider who's writing this review...

  • This is my 5th season riding year round.
  • I've owned and ridden every WW production kite ever produced except for the Rampage 1.
  • Most current kites are 9 & 14m '06 Waroos that I've enjoyed and had huge success and fun with.
  • I'm 5'11", 165 lbs. 
Conditions: 22-26mph Gust 30 on flat water.

Construction: Classic WW strength & durability.  I can't pick out the fanciest Dacron blends or newest adhesives, but a well built kite is a well built kite. And this one certainly is.  Bumpers & reinfoced seams everywhere.  The tiny battons along the trailing & leading edge canopy have made this kite the most stable I've ever ridden.  I tried to oversheet, overpower and aggresively turn the kite with the intention of making it jellyfish or atleast bend a wingtip, and the kite never even fluttered.  I exhausted myself trying to beat-up the kite in strong, gusty wind.

Performace:  My benchmark is the '06 9m Waroo.  I still love that kite, but the Rampage 2 had some significant advantages. The 9.5 pulled and jumped as well as any other top of the line hybrid, bow or C kite I've ever ridden.  The thing I noticed right away was the kites stability in every position and attitude.  As I depowered it and sent it low and fast directly through the window, it never fluttered or flapped like my waroos do.  Sheeted in and flying very aggresivly it continued to fly rock hard without any hint of control issues or instability. After 6 tries to get it to spend more than a few seconds on the water, I finally witnessed the best relaunch ability of any kite I've ridden.  Its wing tip picks up far better than my waroos can.   Jumping is fast off the water with a long floaty descent for a kite of its size.  Kiteloops are beyond easy, as it turns on a dime.

Negatives:  The  tiny battons are a major part of the kites performance makeup and I'm sure keep it flying perfect, but they are very fragile. Great care and time packing up is a must so you can't stuff it and run if you're late.  The MIS one-pump system is the biggest dissapointment.  I see the logic behind making a safer one pump by using small diameter tubes (slower air leak during a failure) and leaving stopper balls in the struts and LE, but it causes too many problems.  The glue holding the tubes in the caps leaked and I lost 2 struts after 20min on the water.  I simply replaced them with the original style caps and there was no issue there after.  Even if the glued tubes didn't leak, the struts inflate very slowly and you need to wait for the struts to catch up to the LE as the air hisses in via the very small tubes.  The stopper balls constantly need to be pinched back to allow air into the struts. If you don't care about the one pump feature, just inflate traditionally. 

Synopsis:  This is the absolute best kite WW has ever produced the single best kite I've ever ridden.  I'm selling my '06 waroos as soon as I get the larger Rampage 2. 

Any questions please feel free to ask. 
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Quote Windwing C+S Replybullet Posted: November 17 2006 at 10:23pm
Thanks for the very positive review!

Concerning the negatives. Please note that all mini battens are now removable and replaceable. New 2007 Windwing kites all come with spare battens.

Also...don't give up on the MIS. We have since discovered that once in a while there are caps with imbeded cracks in the plastic. We have asked the factory to do a better quality control check on the integrity of the caps. You can also easily detect faulty MIS tubes buy plugging one end of the cap with your finger while blowing in another. Do this for both sides. If it is a defect, you will blow air through it. If you find a bad unit, just call or email us and we will replace it right away.

Concerning the slow inflation, we suggest that you pump the LE without worrying about the struts. Once inflated and there are a stuck valves, just pinch the valve to move aside the stopper valve and the pressure will quickly equalize. Don't be deceived by the size of the tube. The amount of air entering each strut during inflation is not be slowed by the small diameter tube.

Give it another chance, it is a great system! You'll learn to love it like we do. If not, you can definately inflate it traditionally. These are the options we like to give you.


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Quote bostonkiter Replybullet Posted: November 18 2006 at 6:33pm
Cool.  I figured it would take a few times through the gears to figure out the best technique.  Thanks again for everything.
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Quote thekiterider200 Replybullet Posted: November 20 2006 at 2:22pm
Bostonkiter, What other kites have you ridden besides the Waroo? I'm really interested and wonder how it compares to some of the Cabrinha kites.
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Quote Alan Replybullet Posted: November 20 2006 at 2:35pm
ANy more comments on the MIS system? Seems a pretty neat system if it works...
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Quote Mr High Replybullet Posted: November 21 2006 at 5:23am

I have been using the kite for a few weeks now and apart from the first time, I haven't had any issues with the MIS system.  I Just had to pinch the valves the first time but apart from that its worked like a charm since.

I am soooo stoked with the kite.  I haven't really kited many bows or hybrids but i have taken to this one from day one.

This kite certainly replaces my 12m and 8m.  It took me a couple of goes but now i start to know all the adjustments i would definetly say i am getting out in less wind then my 12m C kite would've allowed.

The best part is it looks sick.  Black and red.  I have even had a girl tell me my kite looked really nice. 

 

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Quote bostonkiter Replybullet Posted: November 21 2006 at 9:40am

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In reguards to your question...I've ridden '05 & '06 Crossbows that belong to friends of mine.  I was amazed at their low end grunt and how stable they were when I screwed up any number of jumps with spins. The Crossbow for me held up like a champ when I didn't know which way was up until I hit the water.  What I didn't like was the vry slow responce and turns speed. Compared to C kites it's fast, but the Rampage absoluty out-turns and speeds through the window faster.  These kites as you know depend on more appharent wind.  The Rampage 2 whips through the window and powers up more like a C kite.  Any 9.5 will fly and turn fast, but I can't seem to describe just how much better it flies, pulls and remains totally rock stable.  You can't go wrong with those stats! Let me know if there's anything more I can tell you.

 

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Quote thekiterider200 Replybullet Posted: November 22 2006 at 1:43am
Hey Bostonkiter, thanks for the reply and PM. It is hard to believe such a favorable review on a company that was said to be going out of business a few month ago. Not to be cynical, but are you and Mr. High on Windwing's team? I've read your reviews several times and wondered.

Any thoughts on why Rampage II 9.5 is so much better than the Rapture II and the Rampage I that Bill Hansen designed? Don't get me wrong, I think it's pretty admirable that Windwing took so much trash on the forum in the past few months and then quietly comes up with a kite that get this kind of review......... I am also curious on Mr. High's weight?
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Quote Mr High Replybullet Posted: November 22 2006 at 7:02am

I am not on the wind wing team but would be happy to accept free kites any day now. 

I originally got wind wing kites (rage 2's) because i could get 3 (17, 12,8) for $1500 including postage.  I put these kites through a workout with heaps of kiting and many crashes in surf and still have them in great condition. 

I am blown away by the rampage 2 but have to admit i am kinda new to this whole bow kite thing. 

I weigh 75-77kg but sometimes less when i get "high"

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Quote Eric A. Replybullet Posted: November 24 2006 at 2:34pm
Bostonkiter, where about do you kite?
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Quote Bailey Replybullet Posted: November 25 2006 at 10:42am
Well I just got my new Rampage2-12m and I have a couple questions. What psi should I pump the kite up to using the one pump setup and do I need to use the wingtip battens as I did not use them on my rap2 kite?  P.S the kite looks great now we just need some wind
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Quote bostonkiter Replybullet Posted: November 25 2006 at 10:11pm

Eric,

I ride Pleasure bay in S. Boston pretty much everytime it's a south wind.  I grew up on the cape, so anywhere down there is game.  I just started laying my wetsuits under my Oceanrodeo and found that it's twice as warm...lots of winter kiting!

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Quote Bailey Replybullet Posted: November 26 2006 at 10:33am
Boston kiter/Mr High are you guys using the wing tip battens and what psi are are you pumping to. Thanks
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Quote Windwing R+D Replybullet Posted: November 26 2006 at 2:28pm
We recommend 6psi. Most riders don't bother with the wingtip battens. Depending on your weight and riding style, the battens are an accessory if the wintips are folding.
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Quote Bailey Replybullet Posted: November 26 2006 at 3:05pm
Thank you .
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Quote Mr High Replybullet Posted: November 26 2006 at 7:45pm

I am wondering what size bars and lines people are using on the kites.  I have the 9.5 and am using the 50cm bar with 23m lines it seems good but would like to see how the 45cm bar goes?

Would a shorter bar be a better option for unkooked kiting?

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Quote kik128 Replybullet Posted: November 27 2006 at 4:45pm
I too have ridden the Rampage 2 9.5m

Contrary to what has been said about launching abilities. The kite launches very slowly and took MANY GOES before it launches. The wind was 20-25knts and the kite would take ages to go to the relaunch position. Kept dropping back down.

Flys OK but nothing spectacular, compared to a Waroo 9, Xbow 2 12.

I would not buy this kite due to relaunch and those stupid battens.

Pack ups a bitch when you've had a good session. The MIS was an after thought as the tiny tubes do bugger all and are troublesome.

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Quote WINDWING SALES Replybullet Posted: November 27 2006 at 8:47pm
Andrew, I am wondering if you are not mistaking the Rampage with the Rampage II. Our record shows that there are a few on the way, but Mr. High has the first and only Ramp II 9.5 in your area. If you did not have a ride in his kite, then it was not a Rampage II. From your description, it sound very much like the Rampage rather than the Rampage II.

The Rampage was a Hansen design and it did have re-launch issues . The Rampage II is a very different performing kite. If what I speculate is true, then I hope you'll seek Mr. High out and see if he will let you have a go. We love to get you back on WW!

Check out the Rampage II video here , it has many re-launch footages...the kite just want to fly!
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Quote bostonkiter Replybullet Posted: November 28 2006 at 8:48am

I couldn't agree more with the WW reply to kik128.  If there was some confusion as to witch Rampage kik was flying, that would certainly explain his experience.  In any case, I took my R2 9.5 out on Thanksgiving.  There was a Noreaster raging through New England last week blowing 25-40mph all day.  The kite again stayed unbelievably stable in the worst wind I can imagine riding in.  I only droped it once and it relauched from a total LE down position almost on its own axis. You can't get a kite to relaunch any better. 

As far as the wingtip battons go, I use them.  Im only 165 pds but find the kite turns much better with them in. I fly and ride aggresivly and have found the R2 to be the best platform for my riding style.

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Quote kiterfreak Replybullet Posted: November 29 2006 at 8:02am
When a bigger size will be available? I weight 200 pounds and the 12 is small for me.
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Quote Windwing R+D Replybullet Posted: November 29 2006 at 4:45pm
Kiterfreak, the Rampage II and our next line of kites called the Batwing might have to redefine the sizing rules for kites.

We have found for example, a Rampage II 9.5 will give you the same power as as 12m or even a 14m kite in low winds, while able to fly in high wind conditions that calls for a much smaller kites. You've heard of the "One-Kite-Quiver", this concept comes from the efficiency and incredible range we've built into each Rampage II kite.

We have dropped 15m Rampage II because of the diminishing return of the kite in larger sizes...meaning the bigger they are, the slower they fly...thereby generating equal or only slightly more power than the smaller sized kites.

We will bring out a 15m and bigger sizes under the Batwing model. The Batwing is a completely new Windwing technology centered around building larger kites that generate power with the efficiency of smaller kites, i.e. turning speed, going through air faster and slippery...like a golf ball.

Lots of exciting things coming to you from Windwing!
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Quote Mr High Replybullet Posted: November 30 2006 at 5:37am
Just thought I'd back you up WW.  I have never been one to go and fly under powered.  I made huge amount of use on 17m kite.  But like you said i feel this 9.5 is as powerfull as a 14m.
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Quote Alan Replybullet Posted: December 02 2006 at 1:30am
Hard to believe. Sounds like a hype or your really HIGH
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Quote Mr High Replybullet Posted: December 03 2006 at 3:15am
Thats right I am HIGH
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Quote kiterfreak Replybullet Posted: December 06 2006 at 12:48pm
I have asked few times here and the answers received have not been concrete. I just want to know if I can replace my Rap 2 16.5 with a Ramp2 12. I have a Rap2 12 basically new, if I can exchange it for a Ramp2, great. How much?
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Quote groundclown Replybullet Posted: December 07 2006 at 3:09pm

Kiter freak,

The Rampage2 12m is $1200. The trade in is for up two half off with a new never flown kite. If in near new or flown only a few times with now damage or permanent scuffs it should yeald near that      (maybee 40%). Assuming that the kite is new it would cost $600 + shipping for the Rampage 2 12M / $720 if given 40%

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Quote Alan Replybullet Posted: January 13 2007 at 4:04pm
Seem like everyone is giving a huge thunbs up for the Rampage II. Is the trade in still going on?
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Quote Windwing C+S Replybullet Posted: January 13 2007 at 4:14pm
Alan. We've officially concluded the trade in for the Rampage II at the end of December 2006. The Rampage II is such an extraordinary kite that we are looking for Beach Reps and regional Team Riders to show off the kite. If you are interested, send an email to info@windwing.com with your qualifications.
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Quote Xtream Replybullet Posted: January 15 2007 at 10:50am

This new Rampage II 9.5 meter kite performs so different than any other previous Windwing Kites.

I have no idea what Windwing has done to make such an improvement in these kites, maybe they will comment. But it’s a massive difference and this kite handles unbelievable. It fly's in almost no wind.. Its stays in the air in 6mph? That's crazy!!!

 

After 5 sessions on this kite I'm convinced that this is the only kite I need.

 

I actually had fun on a day that I normally would have not been able to kite the wind was too low, but with the combination of this Rampage II 9.5 and the new light wind board I could ride back & fourth small pops and keep my ground, I'm talking about conditions with gusts of 11MPH and lulls of 6mph! And No walking back upwind. I had to come home and weigh myself I couldn't believe I was planning never mind holding ground.

I was on the water from about 12:30 to 2:30

I have used this kite from 7mph to 35 mph and for me at 180 lbs the sweet spot range is 12-30mph.

Very Very Impressive... Fantastic improvement. Major difference from all previous WW kites! ...What a kite.

 

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